While not a guilt sceptic, I suggest this was either ill-conceived expression or an expression of misguided mindset for its not for the defendant (albeit now convict) to convince of innocence but for prosecution to convince of guilt (and per appeal, that guilt is safe rather than innocence unproven). Why? Andrew described his existence with Joanne and Alex as a little Camelot., Ex-spouse off list. Her alibi about going to the club, called Cowboys Nitelife, got fuzzy when investigators discovered she hadnt signed the guest book on that day. But it doesnt make a nonsense of her being the shooter, regardless of their speculation. Then you claim this is an opinion. To be sure, an appellant does not have to *prove* (convince) of innocence to have been wrongfully convicted (even if they are in fact guilty but I digress). Update/Clean-Up. Have you watched any of the documentaries Ive mentioned? Inside the locked 1992 vehicle, police discovered some strands of blond hair stained with dried blood. Why bother with this site, which isnt for professional criminalists/forensic scientists, if youre going to get so tetchy and rude? I most definitely will not personally afford Patricia a platform, Michael said in an email to ForensicFilesNow.com She had her chance to answer my questions and tell her story in court over 20 years ago. And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. He said she did own a firearm, with its serial numbers filed off. Theres a similar air of confusion connected to the Scott Peterson debacle. Patricia Rorrer Self - Suspect (archive footage) Director Kimberley Ferdinando All cast & crew Production, box office & more at IMDbPro Storyline Edit Keith Morrison investigates the horrific 1994 murders of Joann Katrinak and her infant son, Alex, as well as the ongoing claims that Patricia Rorrer was wrongfully convicted of the murders. PATRICIA RORRER, : : Petitioner : v. : CIVIL ACTION NUMBER 19-01398 : WENDY K. NICHOLAS, : : Respondents : MOTION FOR DISCOVERY AND CONSOLIDATED MEMORANDUM OF LAW . The number of delusional people in this world both shocks and frightens me. And then there are documentaries (video and audio) which, by all accounts, stick to the facts and make a compelling case for her innocence. One of the hairs had magically developed root material to enable that. Early in the investigation, the hairs found in the car were sent (in glass slides) to several laboratories including the FBIs. There are judges, eminent lawyers and writers who are in support of her. Andrew told investigators that the unpleasant phone call between Joann and Patricia happened just three days before his wifes disappearance. This response of yours neatly sums up your dogmatic view of her guilt despite so much evidence to the contrary. Which explains why she made Joann kill the baby, or suffer from the environmental elements. Chris and Fatima investigate the case of Patricia Rorrer, who is in prison for brutally murdering her former boyfriend's wife and baby out of spite; her lawyers claim that she was . THE COPS SET HER UP. No explanation given. (A good point. This woman was motivated by an obsession with a man who no longer wanted her. And finally, your supercilious comment about Speculative lies Ive perused my previous comments and at no point do I see those words! Nope. Hair we go. You know whats interesting? They were able to match 5 hairs all the same micro DNA which happened to match the DNA pulled from blood samples Pat gave. Meanwhile, interest in Patricias plight continues on social media. The fact that there was a broken fingernail with skin attached to it found on her clothingand wasnt Patricias. Just saying. They were telling the truth and revealing the type of person she was, a person that definitely would kill out of jealousy and revenge. Patricia defaulted on her mortgage and then returned to North Carolina, where she eventually moved in with a boyfriend named Brian Ward. She was born on Jan. 24, 1964, in eastern Pennsylvania and moved back and forth between there and Davidson County, North Carolina. And Patricia did live in another state. . Sir I would not kill somebody and I definitely wouldnt kill somebody I never met, Rorrer said. Your email address will not be published. Yet, you have a story like Darlie Rutier who supposedly stabbed herself seriously enough that was centimeters from her carotid artery, yet this woman is in prison still? (even though hes married and has a baby) Who does that?!! Prosecution leader McIntyre, when interviewed, laughingly dismissed him as a nut in an effort to trivialise Traupmans input. The article also notes that most inmates earn around 19 cent an hour at their jobs and must pay $5 each time they need medical attention or medicine. And your contention that you (me) as ONE person are wrong, let me say that while you seem to be determined in singling me out as someone whos opinion is one against the rest, is hopelessly exaggerated. It was winter which are cold in PA and would slow down decomposition and minimize insect activity although you are correct about the rodentswhy were there none? We lived close to one another. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. And its argued that it has been and dismissed as insignificant or irrelevant. Commonwealth v. Rorrer | J-S71013-19 | Pa. Super. Ct. | Judgment | Law The witness, Traupman, who on several occasions attempted to have his evidence recorded was severely manhandled out of the police station and so badly beaten, he had to be hospitalised. Re Sells, the problem viz some serial killers is in exaggerating the number as a badge of honour. Its perfectly understandable that one should feel sorry for the victims of this heinous crime. The Free Patricia Rorrer page responds to comments from supporters (How is this even possible that this woman is still in jail?!? Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports, 7 Unnerving Facts About the Lindberghs and the Kidnapping, The Lindbergh Kidnapping: Forensic Files Lost Episode, Dawn Fehring: A Missionary Dies Too Young, Daniel and Cynthia McDonnell: Good Cop, Bad Wife. Answer 1 of 2: We are looking to get the ferry over to Helsinki from Tallin on 27th Dec 2020, so trying to establish if best to get an early (7am) ferry or a slightly later one depending on what time the shops/sight seeing attractions will be open - can anyone. I dont even know its Christmas.. Miami Herald Article on Bobby Kent's Murder - Forensic Files Now My husband passed away of a broken heart, Sarah OConnor said on the Montel Williams Show in 2001. The author that wrote the book on the Rutier case donates all the funds from that book to freeing Darlie Routier because the jury wasnt shown a lot of evidence of the medical issues Darlie suffered. Rorrer seems to have had relatively considerable appeals scrutiny of the convicting evidence, to no avail as yet. Stable situation. They returned with a guilty verdict and a sentence of two life terms. Another witness, Walter Traupman, who never testified, had told state troopers that on the day of Joanns disappearance, he saw a couple who looked like Joann and Andrew arguing about the paternity of a baby. And Andrews explanation of how the intruder got in through the basement door seemed contrived, according to Grube, who gave an interview to Wrong Man, a 2020 true-crime docuseries from the Starz network, which produced two episodes called The Hang Up about the Rorrer case. Watch Wrong Man season 2, and then come back and make comment. Im aware of Rorrers various appeals, but also aware that the bases for those appeals is to some degree unknown to observers, who rely on third-party reporting which may distort. Were suppose to ignore the actual forensic evidence and forensic opinions because we were told that a cop overheard her claiming she confessed? She made Joanne kill the baby PLEASE. They had a son, Alex Martin, in August of 1994. He was happy. She killed Joann, had a fair and impartial trial, so its time to get over it. Interesting thought about the alibi timing. And she will have to answer eventually. They tested the hair last night on Reasonable Doubt using updated technology it is definitely Patricias. BROADCASTING SPECULATIVE SCENES, SUCH AS MENTIONED ABOVE, CAN LEAVE A VERY INDELIBLE MEMORY ON THOSE WHO ARE HAPPY TO REMAIN GULLIBLE. For one thing, her mother never asked Sandra Ireland to hide the gun, and she retrieved it on the way home the next day she worked as a bus driver and couldnt take it with her to school. Together they had a baby girl, Nicole. Irelands husband buried it in the yard because he didnt feel comfortable with a firearm inside, she said. There was also forensic evidence, obviously planted by them crooked cops, according to defenders. If I knew I was going to get caught, I never would have brought you into this world, the arresting officers testified they heard her say to Nicole. She had money put aside. February 29, 2020. As for the idiots who didnt think Ms. Rorrer guilty of anything more sordid than having zero taste, the simple fact(s) are that: 1) what they claim about such testing (as was done to the hair) wasexcuse me, IS wrong both due to the follow-up AFTER the mDNA test results were made only proved more concretely that Ms. Rorrer WAS the person the hair came from, 2) the inanity about thinking Andy had something to do with it (the simple fact that ALL investigations START by checking the closest, most immediate relative, i.e, a spouse), was after his being thoroughly vouched, to NOT be in ANY way involved, 3) since this case, forensic science has only improved by huge leaps, and that no one including the courts or the Innocence Project will get involved should make it VERY clear, this case is CLOSED. Proven in court and sentence awarded!!! At one point Interpol had an extremely similar case in which an individual convinced a friend, who had been his sexual partner several times in the past, to kill the woman he had a baby with, on the grounds that the child is not his and he does not love her but cannot leave because everyone would accuse him of abandoning his child and his family name would be affected. After all, justice has been served in the eyes of the law, so why go on demonising her? MY STATE OF MIND is based on factual information. So would judge and jury say. Forensic tests suggested the hair found in the car and at the murder scene came from Patricia. Since then our team has proven that Patricia is innocent. But hang on You ask that I show care with my wording and show all the tolerance in the world, and by that you presumably mean I should simply ignore those who villify her in the most disgraceful way, probably in the opinion that all readers of their comments will agree, and no one is going to take offence! Everyone lies. During Patricias hours-long turn in the witness chair, Michael McIntyre grilled her relentlessly. Oh wait, sorry, you werent there. Why would it be an irony for a person to express his opinion? You can PM me please, this way you can update your article with the correct information. More hairs there. Claps! Although I would have liked it to be death! So we can just pretend that everyone is honest all of the time? Pal stays true. The victims vanished on December 15. I saw lots of her defenders saying that he got the hairs from a hairbrush of hers that he had somehow saved, which I thought was absolutely ridiculous. If there was more talk about finding this .22 mm gun then that would solve all of this speculation. I hope she suffers and goes insane from loneliness. I cant lose them, he told the media. If not, how could Andrew have obtained samples of Patricias hair if they apparently didnt meet up in person after Andrews marriage? A man normally wouldnt care about killing a child, but a woman normally would have some kind of abhorrence to harming an innocent child. As for an epilogue on ex-flame Andrew Katrinak, he has moved to Colorado and kept a low profile since the trial ended. This case is not over yet more to follow only trouble is, law moves along at a pitiful pace. You started slinging insults, then got insulted when slung back. Despite the new evidence and hypotheses, the courts have rejected all of Patricias bids for a new trial. What a lame article. Traupman claimed that when he reported the dispute, trooper Robert V. Egan III got mad and practically kicked him out of his office. They depict scenes which are pure speculation or exaggeration or present scenes, which in fact were only theories mentioned at her trial. A few fries short of a Happy Meal, that one. "Wrong Man" Patricia Rorrer: The Hang Up (TV Episode 2020) - IMDb If you want to help her tell her to ask God for forgiveness. This FBI report, of the hairs being unable to yield a DNA result because of the absent root material, was never revealed to Rorrers defence. I comment on these forums because they are the only places offering the opportunity to, hopefully, bring awareness to those whore unfamiliar with this case and her unfair plight. 1 talking about this. And your contention that you (me) as ONE person are wrong, let me say that while you seem to be determined in singling me out as someone whos opinion is one against the rest, is hopelessly exaggerated. Do you realize that Patricia was only found and arrested more than six months after the murder? It seems so, according to you. New state, new man. Cop defends accused. Vonda Smith: An Unexpected Twist . Thats because they knew it was a stretch to make anyone believe she would still be so enraged a week and a day later that she jumped into a van and drove 550 miles to kill a woman and baby she never met. Or did they? Once, when a gun-wielding farmer and his buddy caught Patricia and Gary riding motorcycles on his field, Patricia walked up and got in their faces and argued, Gary recalled to the Morning Call.