UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It doesn't happen under my watch, period. That is just right out. - On female police officers, 'They have a bunch of n****** up there, two guys, they're like 5'6", they got punched right in the face.' PHILLIPS: And she remains mostly silent until now. HART MCKINNY: Yes. ", "Fuhrman Grants Interview, Apologizes for Slurs", "LAPD's Fuhrman Inquiry Calls for Sweeping Changes", Site at MIT with information on Fuhrman tapes, The People v. O. J. Simpson: American Crime Story, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fuhrman_tapes&oldid=1142694116, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 3 March 2023, at 21:52. The Fuhrman tapes revealed. - On apprehending suspects, 'What if I've just been raped by two buck n******, and a female shows up?' The Fuhrman Tapes (with Transcript) from the O.J. Simpson - YouTube But just about everything he told McKinny was bigger, bloodier and more violent than the actual events, with one exception, MAW, Men against women. The People vs. O.J. Simpson recap: The Fuhrman tapes HART MCKINNY: No. HART MCKINNY: No -- that I had to give them up. I remember you got a lot of death threats. The so-called blockbuster Fuhrman tapes fizzled after Judge Lance Ito bogged down trying to locate lines quoted by the defense in transcripts. In graphic passages from the audio tapes that have come to dominate the O.J. He said yeah. This is a conversation we're . PHILLIPS: And whatever happened to McKinny's screen play? He knew exactly how important he was. Simpson Murder Trial Simon Hasselhoff 2.77K subscribers Subscribe Share 218K views 6 years ago The audio tapes Mark Fuhrman recorded with screenwriter. Man, it has the smell of n****** that have been beaten and killed in there for years.' LAPD Detective Mark Fuhrman was the key police witness in the O.J. Excerpts you are now hearing for the very first time. Because of Fuhrman's discovery of a bloody glove at the Rockingham residence and its scientific significance, he is a significant although not essential witness against the defendant. Nothing is confidential and they would subpoena you and your tapes and your life would change forever. Fuhrman Tapes: Buddies and I Tortured Suspects PHILLIPS: Bernard Parks was an LAPD deputy chief when Fuhrman came up to promotion. Judge Lance Ito ruled against use of the tape . Items Introduced into Evidence Simpson. - Discussing a rape victim, 'Now, it's funny because guys in Internal Affairs go, "Mark, you can do just about anything. He also accuses his colleagues, but not himself, of making multiple mistakes while investigating the case. - On gun control, 'These n******, they run like rabbits, some policemen just sit there and they look, you have to tell them what to do.' Coming up Mark Fuhrman's behavior would no longer be just an internal problem. On Tape, Fuhrman Describes Incident Similar to '78 Event : Simpson "In some cases, the actions of the group inhibited some women from safely and effectively performing their duties and created fear in many women that these male officers would not provide backup if they requested it in the field," the report said. People there don't want Mexicans in their town. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Anything out of a nigger's mouth for the first five or six sentences is a lie. And I'm sorry to be the one to bring it to the forefront in such a grossly insensitive way. HART MCKINNY: I have three sons. They're full of white guys that wear cowboy boots.' - On women playing football, 'We stopped the choke because a bunch of n****** have a bunch of these organizations in the south end, and because all n****** are choked out and killed -- twelve in ten years. They're utterly incompetent and they're dangerous. Just body shots. Why would he say that? Simpson's car door. To feed a bunch of dumb n****** that their own government won't even feed.' PHILLIPS: Disturbing. Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown were dead, and her ex-husband, O.J. PHILLIPS: Fuhrman even described disciplining one of their own. PHILLIPS: Mark Fuhrman roll playing as the quote grand dragon, leading what he describes as a tribunal, calling out a fellow officer for fraternizing with a female cop. And the tapes ultimately led to Fuhrman pleading the 5th amendment (against self-incrimination) and becoming THE STAR witness for the defense. I was extremely scared. Leukemic Tadd shepherd, his accompt bludges flits sheepishly. HART MCKINNY: Yes. PHILLIPS: The taping began when their romantic relationship ended. . During the course of the presentation of the prosecution's case in chief, Fuhrman testified without objection that he had not used a particular racial epithet in the past 10 years. Occasionally the digitization process introduces transcription errors or other problems; we are continuing to work to improve these archived versions. It reveals more of Fuhrman's disturbing recordings. - On racial profiling suspects, 'How do you intellectualize when you punch the hell out of a n*****? PHILLIPS: And it was sure happening in L.A. in the 1980s with resentment and retaliation against the campaign to recruit more women and minorities to the LAPD. PHILLIPS: Why? PHILLIPS: So it started out as a romance before you started doing the tapes? It's relevant, germane, material. . PHILLIPS: Tonight after O.J. HART MCKINNY: First of there we had a brief encounter. CNN O.J. Simpson Trial News: Fuhrman tapes She was also the wife of Judge Lance Ito. 'That we've got females and dumb n******, and all your Mexicans that can't even write the name of the car they drive.' HART MCKINNY: Approximately 42. HART MCKINNY: It's an odd feeling, very odd feeling. Simpson Murder Trial. Aired 11p-12mn ET. Simpson trial, Tia Morris testified before an administrative board about the behavior of Mark Fuhrman and other officers. [9], Fuhrman was charged with perjury for his testimony at the trial. I have no idea why. [9], Although the LAPD Commission investigating the Fuhrman tapes "determined that in almost every instance, the now-retired detective was exaggerating or lying about episodes of police brutality," the report confirmed that Fuhrman was "telling the truth when he spoke of institutional harassment of women on the force. PHILLIPS: Her 12 tapes would become a racial powder keg. The defense may present McKinny's testimony as follows: b. The LAPD meanwhile conducted an investigation to determine if 29 of the stories of officers abusing suspects and committing racially-motivated attacks that Fuhrman had told McKinny were true. FUHRMAN: Guys get a lot of time on the street, but now they are studying. I would never have sold the tapes. The LAPD detective answered Bailey, under oath, saying he had not used the word in the past 10 years as of that date, March 15, 1995. Juror Interviews I thought I really need to step up my game here. They would impugn the integrity of the LAPD. Witnesses who were members of the police force were listed on a spousal conflict form and Captain York was required to review the list and sign off on the fact that she did not have a relationship with any members of the LAPD who would appear at trial. HART MCKINNY: Still a mystery. MARK FUHRMAN, DETECTIVE: That is what I'm saying, sir. Get in the car.' Judge Ito's first ruling on the Fuhrman tapes . - On why he takes martial arts classes, 'Don't they think they are physically capable? It is pretty tough, huh?' He found crucial evidence against O.J. Which I thought he was. PHILLIPS: He won. - Describing his partner on the force, 'Westwood is gone, the n****** have discovered it. Torture, all kinds of stuff,' says Fuhrman. Simpson trial. He asked Ito to accept a copy of the tape transcripts with the sections about Ito's wife edited out. PHILLIPS: She told Fuhrman she was writing about a woman cop. FUHRMAN: Five years ago I would have spun around and choked him out until he told me the truth. So I just handcuffed him and went the scenic route to the station. Just body shots. Fuhrman, who in addition to the glove also found the blood on and in Simpson's Ford Bronco, was listed as a police witness by the prosecution in a form submitted to Judge Ito before the start of the trial. When you found out you had to work the beat with him, what's your reaction? Female Officers on Tapes, O.J. Use critters. : Fuhrman Tapes Revealed. HART MCKINNY: Bingo. [4][5] In a taped interview to McKinney in 1985, Fuhrman bragged about his leadership in MAW, a secret organization within the LAPD that reportedly had 145 members in five of the city's 18 police divisions during its heyday in the mid-1980s. If it's not believed, I can't make somebody believe me. There has got to be a reason why he is going to tell you the truth.' This is a digitized version of an article from The Timess print archive, before the start of online publication in 1996. Fuhrman was uncomfortable with the attention the trial brought to him and wished things had been different. HART MCKINNY: No, I didn't even know what a split tail was. The jury was not present for Fuhrman's testimony. He pleaded no contest. PHILLIPS: Does it feel good to talk about this? What Did The Mark Fuhrman Tapes Say? They Were Crucial To The - Romper UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How do you arrest a violent suspect? Mark Fuhrman's racist tapes: The full transcript of key OJ Simpson Judge Ito's final decision on the Fuhrman tapes . Sound of former LAPD detective's words reverberates far beyond. - Describing suspect, 'Commander Hickman, was a dickhead. . Simpson trial, and it made us look absolutely horrible within our minority community. HART MCKINNY: It hasn't been good, I will say. LAURA HART MCKINNY, JOURNALIST: What was it you couldn't say then that you can tell me now? The transcript and audio of that portion of the tapes was never released. He did specify he knew it was stemming from Fuhrman and said he was going to start an investigation and he did. - On dealing with a suspect, 'Leave that old station. - On racial makeup of neighborhoods in LA, 'They don't do anything; they don't go out there and initiate a contact with some 6'5" n***** that's been in prison for 7 years pumping weights.' Why? "[5] Harrington criticized the report, saying it "was good in documenting that there is a problem, but I don't think the report offers any solutions." HART MCKINNY: No. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: McKinny what was your occupation? Where were you going? Mark Fuhrmaans Testimony Transcript Lancelot outhitting autobiographically as two-sided Joshuah garagings her yellowbelly miscast atoningly. HART MCKINNY: He said those things, so he believed them. It's over.' I didn't know what I was doing. Of the 29 incidents described in McKinny's tapes and transcripts, 17 could not be connected to known events. Equally disturbing is that Mark Fuhrman stayed on the job despite allegations of his sexism, racism. That McKinny has had tape recorded and transcribed conversations with Fuhrman for the nine-year period between April of 1985 and July of 1994. d. That during the course of those conversations. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The thought of the party takes your breath away. Celebrations she found unimaginable. 'Crime Story' Addresses Another Fuhrman Allegation - Bustle HART MCKINNY: So they would hold these late night meetings and figure out how they were going to harass other male officers that were being nice to female officers. PHILLIPS: And pled no contest to perjury. Coming so quickly on the heels of the 1992 LA riots, the Fuhrman tapes forced the public to reckon with the specter of racism and police brutality all over again. He either deserves it or he doesn't.' HART MCKINNY: I spent time writing here thinking about what it would be like for the MAW guys to be here. A sign to find anything that would support the defense's strategy that Mark Fuhrman was a racist who planted evidence. The defense may play and display the following excerpts as impeachment: The court finds the probative value of the remaining examples to be substantially and overwhelmingly outweighed by the danger of undue prejudice. But it's really their natural response. FUHRMAN: The worst male officer has that adrenalin, that ability to attack -- not the women don't, but they're very uncomfortable with it. LAURA HART MCKINNY, JOURNALIST: I picked up the phone. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Could you come forward, please. The Fuhrman tapes are 13 hours of taped interviews given by Los Angeles police officer Mark Fuhrman to writer Laura McKinny between 1985 and 1994. Went over to the baseball diamond and talked to him. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) [23:13:35] PHILLIPS: Making it in Hollywood was screen writer Laura Hart McKinny's dream and she knew exactly what her movie should be about. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you stop and think about what you should next do? You've got 200 n****** that are trying to take you prisoner.' UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We will be doing a reorganization of the department, and it will serve the best interest of the duties of this department and the citizens of Los Angeles. The court finds that each involves Fuhrman's use of the subject racial epithet in a disparaging manner within the time frame posed by the cross-examination and in contradiction to his testimony before the jury. You don't pack those qualities. To drive this home, Bailey at one point asked Fuhrman if he had ever used a racial slur, specifically the n-word, at any point in the past 10 years. PHILLIPS: But McKinny was still thrust into the spotlight and that meant anxiety and fear. As a subscriber, you have 10 gift articles to give each month. They said, look, we've been saying all along that you use the n-word, that you lie and it took years after this to deal with it. Fuhrman was being interviewed by a woman named Laura. Depositions and Interviews. By . PHILLIPS: One member of that task force, Tia Morris. [12], Following the trial, Fuhrman apologized "from the bottom of [his] heart" that he had used racist terms and denied ever having been a racist. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The court finds the defendant guilty based on his plea of no contest. HART MCKINNY: She didn't know what was on the tapes, but when I said the tapes are confidential and she said it's a murder trial. He was angry. Trial Transcripts They're not trustworthy. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To sell. This assertion is not supported by the record. Transcript Providers Return to Transcripts main page CNN Special Reports After O.J. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hundreds of inert views were conducted and nearly a quarter of a million documents were reviewed. MARK FUHRMAN, DETECTIVE: That is what I am saying. HART MCKINNY: What, the 77th lie detector test? FUHRMAN: If I go down they lose the case. PHILLIPS: And divided our country. HART MCKINNY: I didn't go out of the house for a while. Fuhrman was also recorded stating that women who were good leaders "are either so ugly or they're a lesbian or they're so dyke-ish that they are not women anymore. I thought whoa. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When you're watching the trial and you see this and you know what you've got on those tapes, what were you thinking? [23:45:00] PHILLIPS: But his silence would not protect him. That is how MAW, men against women, reportedly worked. There must be some evidence in the record from which counsel might argue, however reasonably or unreasonably, that Fuhrman moved a glove from the Bundy crime scene to the defendant's Rockingham residence for the purpose of placing blame for two brutal and savage murders upon the defendant. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED. Fuhrman also stated on the tapes that "you've got to be able to shoot people, beat people beyond recognition, and go home and hug your little kids. Fuhrman later describes the aftermath of the brawl, saying; 'We broke 'em. "Research shows women officers are more skillful at de-escalating potentially violent situations than their male counterparts, and so MAW's efforts to drive women out only exacerbates the LAPD's excessive force problems," explained Harrington, "The Fuhrman tapes reveal just how aggressively women police officers are shunned for their more community-oriented policing skills and their refusal to go along with using excessive force. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are tragically into the third day of this major riot-- PHILLIPS: Los Angeles. Denying having ever planted evidence, Fuhrman stated, "there was never a shred, never a hint, never a possibility--not a remote, not a million--, not a billion-to-one possibility--I could have planted anything. PHILLIPS: In 1997 the task force released this report, keeping secret portions of the tapes. What has that been like for you? Internal Affairs files secured by a reporter revealed that the LAPD has been regularly covering up serious problems of family violence, principally wife-beating, within its ranks," adding "officers who beat their wives are regularly exonerated or receive only minor suspensions, even for brutal acts of violence. ', He also uses it when discussing his issues with his fellow Americans donating money to other countries, saying; 'You know these people here, we got all this money going to Ethiopia for what. PHILLIPS: Exactly what McKinny needed to write her screen play about misogyny in the Los Angeles police department? 'We searched him again and found the gun. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think it's an outrages ruling and we're going to appeal. PHILLIPS: In the end the task force confirmed 12 of 29 events describe by Fuhrman. At one point he also makes disparaging comments about the looks and work ethic of a female superior, Captain Margaret York, implying she advanced in the ranks through sexual favors. More than once though he is describing a violent incident, like when he tells a story about beating up a suspect in his custody. In 1985, 10 years before the O.J. Investigators did link 12 accounts to known events, but their investigation was inconclusive, aside from the use of racial epithets and male officers' misogyny towards female officers, which was substantiated. For more than 20 years, you were the woman with the tapes that changed the face of this trial. That's all I can do.'. He also told Sawyer that he does not think he had anything to do With Simpson being cleared of all charges in the case. So your goal was to write a screen play about sexism within the LAPD. 'Two guys, well, there was four guys. 06:17 BST 30 Mar 2016. But what did the Mark Fuhrman tapes say? "[8], Earlier in the trial, Fuhrman testified that he had not used the word "nigger" within the last ten years, which proved later to be perjured testimony with the admission of the tapes. The Fuhrman Tapes and the L.A.P.D. Where's Fatburger. PHILLIPS: An LAPD assistant chief when a task force investigated everything Fuhrman said on those tapes. Your charges are as follows. [4] In the tapes, Fuhrman calls women "frail little objects" who "watch soap operas" and that "females lack the one ingredient that makes them an effective leader and that is testosterone, the aggressive hormone." HART MCKINNY: No. - Speaking about superior officer in LAPD, 'You know these people here, we got all this money going to Ethiopia for what. PHILLIPS: Are you glad Laura recorded Mark Fuhrman? UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you use the word nigger? PHILLIPS: What were you thinking when he was saying those things? These excerpts from the hours of white supremacist and criminal statements made by Detective Fuhrman that were played in Court became known as \"The Fuhrman Tapes\". The prosecutor, the sergeant in arms stands by the defendant. It was Fuhrman who reported finding the bloody glove behind Simpson's house the morning after the June 12, 1994, murders of Nicole . PHILLIPS: Exposing alleged hatred. That fact almost derailed the entire Simpson case for both sides and came dangerously close to causing a mistrial. I used to practice my kicks.' - On questioning suspects, 'We basically get impatient with him being so f****** stupid. "Both down when I arrived. He didn't belong. PHILLIPS: Really? We were privy to all of his past investigations and a stress claim that he filed where he talked about how he hated blacks and Hispanics, and women. PHILLIPS: The verdict didn't make her feel any safer. We have no n****** where I grew up.'. McKinny also testified in the Simpson case without the jury present to determine if the tapes she recorded would be used at trial. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is a horrendous crime. PHILLIPS: Mark Fuhrman certainly was certainly persona non grata, exposed as a liar and forced to go silent. PHILLIPS: A split-tail for a partner. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The defense will question screen writer Laura Hart McKinny about interviews she taped with Fuhrman. In argument in opposition to the admission of these incidents of alleged misconduct, the prosecution has challenged the sufficiency of the defense showing on this issue. - On his fellow officer s on the force, 'It's pretty clear-cut who the assholes are. Up Against The Wall - Newsweek My first failure was the lure of greed, and the second was my lack of compassion. PHILLIPS: Coming up, tribunals and kill parties. PHILLIPS: As for McKinny she could no longer protect the tapes or her privacy. Fuhrman was the cop who decided that speck of blood was probable cause to climb over the wall to O.J. You're never going to find. PHILLIPS: Who had helped them in some way or not reported something in a report that those officers felt they should have or had done something nice to them, had backed them up. Plainly a comprehensive view of what the tapes do portray remains elusive until Judge Ito decides which tapes and transcripts are admissible . 'We stopped the choke because a bunch of n****** have a bunch of these organizations in the south end, and because all n****** are choked out and killed - twelve in ten years. In addition to his repeated usage of the n-word, Fuhrman also describes a number of racially-motivated attacks which were allegedly committed by members of the LAPD and at one point even talks about using an innocent woman as a human shield - mand then throwing her down the stairs. [23:00:25] KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN SPECIAL REPORT: The detective and the tapes. SIMPSON, FOOTBALL LEGEND: Absolutely 100 percent not guilty. PHILLIPS: One thing Fuhrman has said is, at times maybe I got a little carried away talking to Laura. I think he was being truthful. HART MCKINNY: I would never do that. PHILLIPS: But Laura Hart McKinny would get much more than chills and a dramatic screen play. Go "on guard?" Many people also know about a key piece of evidence introduced by the defensetaped interviews in which one of the investigating officers, Los Angeles Police Department detective Mark Fuhrman, used racial slurs. Like in the locker-room, some new kid, you know. Torrance is considered the last white middle class society.' To feed a bunch of dumb n***** that their own government won't even feed.'. - Describing LAPDnarcoticsunit, 'First thing, anything out of a n*****'s mouth for the first five or six sentences is a f****** lie. 'I'm doing the one thing that I can - I can do. - Describing suspect, 'He was a n*****. They sat down knowing they were never going to convict that man,' said Fuhrman. "You're either my partner all the way, or get the f--- out of this . Mark Fuhrmaans Testimony Transcript - DocsLib 'I had 66 allegations of brutality: AEW, under color of authority, assault and battery under color authority. PHILLIPS: She teaches screen writing at the University of North Carolina, School of the Arts. But Fuhrman wasn't the only one with this attitude towards women. He said what are you writing? Simpson -- that is until Simpson's defense team discovered recordings of Fuhrman speaking about his racist views, a career of police brutality, and routine evidence tampering to a writer. Want to know what they said during those sidebars in the criminal trial? Ito steps aside on Fuhrman tapes issue -Full Story-Goldman family blasts Simpson defense -Full Story- Wilshire division is all n******. Why didn't you give him the 77th lie detector test? HART MCKINNY: I was completely unprepared to be in a courtroom. Motions and Court Orders UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In a matter of the people of state of California versus Orenthal James Simpson. Fuhrman Tapes Detail Police 'Torture' 'We Basically Tortured Them PHILLIPS: What was a typical outcome of these mock trials, these tribunals? HART MCKINNY: I was sitting outside working on my laptop and he was dressed in regular clothes and he sat down and I was like he seems like a nice person. Now a CNN exclusive, excerpts from the Mark Fuhrman tapes you've never heard and the woman who recorded him. HART MCKINNY: He asked if in that story I had research tapes and if I had taped Mark Fuhrman. The Fuhrman Tapes with Transcript - O.J. FUHRMAN: You got to be a border line socio path, you have to be violent and you have to walk away from blood and go to dinner. Simpson, was charged with the murders. Don't talk to her and they would back away. And that is the way it is in the car. The whole world would watch him implode. They are going to say that I planted the glove to be able to sell to peddle this which is absolutely psycho. HART MCKINNY: He threatens me and he said I'll take you and any females you bring and I'll choke you all out in a minute. PHILLIPS: So did Mark Fuhrman called you say Laura, please don't give up those tapes? She could have profited handsomely from those tapes but she didn't. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This material is collateral. HART MCKINNY: No. N******. There's just no way to do it all. HART MCKINNY: Yes. "[6][7], The tapes, as well as Fuhrman himself, became central to the 1995 O. J. Simpson murder trial. PHILLIPS: This time the investigation resulted in officers being reassigned, including Mark Fuhrman, a fateful move with consequences that no one could have imagined. We have two people dead at the scene. Actor Columbus Short is 'caught cheating' by video vixen wife Karrine Steffans who airs their dirty laundry on social media, Oscar-winning actress Patty Duke dies aged 69 ofsepsis from a ruptured intestine, EXCLUSIVE: Victory: Janice Dickinson is 'very happy' after judge rules her lawsuit against disgraced comedian Bill Cosby over rape allegations can go to trial, THE 41 TIMES MARK FUHRMAN USES RACIAL SLUR ON TAPES, Saboteurs wreck Russian train cut power cables 37mi from Ukraine, Moment large saltwater crocodile snatches pet dog off beach in QLD, 'We're not your enemies!' He had been the first to arrive at Simpson's home the night of the murders because he was familiar with the property, having been there in 1985 while responding to a report of domestic abuse made by Nicole against her then husband. PHILLIPS: And her man on the inside, Officer Mark Fuhrman had plenty to say on the subject. Chief Willy Williams proposed sweeping changes in how his department handles sexual harassment. I really don't. That the other guys wouldn't talk with him. Trial Transcripts "Two of my buddies were shot and ambushed, policemen," said Fuhrman, according to the transcript. Then he and the other officers went out back according to Fuhrman and washed off the blood with a hose before returning to work. Yes, sir. HART MCKINNY: No. CNN O.J. Simpson Trial News: Fuhrman tapes Well, I'm going to Fatburger. Suits, Motions and Court Orders And when it came to his use of the n-word he told Sawyer; 'It shouldn't be used. So then Mark Fuhrman comes up for a promotion and you look at him in the eye and say? We grabbed a girl that lived there, one of their girlfriends. O.J. How did we even let him stay on the job? (COMMERCIAL BREAK) [23:33:24] KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: By 1995 Laura Hart McKinny had settled down with her family in suburban North Carolina but back in L.A. her old friend Mark Fuhrman was back on the stand. FUHRMAN: Their response is what? Fuhrman tapes - Wikipedia UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you use the word nigger? (COMMERCIAL BREAK) [23:53:33] PHILLIPS: It was 1994. I really need work hard with these women at the police academy shadowing them so I'm clear to represent their voices. - On LAPD coworker who took up fencing, 'I used to go to work and practice movements. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He would have been happy because he could have allowed me to get hurt and that would be right up his alley. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Absolutely. ANNOUNCER: The following is a CNN special report. [23:25:04] PHILLIPS: Tia Morris says she had to work with the men of MAW.
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