Of course that doesnt help when Fergus hasnt updated his address in the database, or Fergusina forgets to mention shes now Fergusina Ferguson-Gerhardt now. But it absolutely feels like an invasion of my privacy. #3 theyre doing it because you went to HR. I would never say it out loud, and wouldnt hold it against the remote worker, but Id be a little annoyed if I got a couple slices of pizza to eat in a conference room or at my desk while a remote worker got a $20 GrubHub card. Actually what they can do is (1) collect all the swag they can, (2) fill out all the disclosure paperwork needed per item, (3) make an appointment with an upper-level HR person, and (4) bring all the swag and all the disclosure forms to help make the point. I think the snoopy coworker was beyond horrid, but if the information is publicly available, its public. She likely thought she was helping, but she really overstepped. I guess my general attitude feelings on humanity are summed up by the George Mallory quote when asked why he wanted to climb Mount Everst? Its definitely retaliation. If they googled their address it would make sense that theyd google directions. There comes a point where digging deeply for information, even though its publicly available, crosses the line. I have totally dealt with that issue, though. I think this is a great way to look at it. Im responding to your criticism of the question asker. Have they previously been a developer? I think that most people, if they are being honest with themselves, know when they have crossed from this is publicly available and fine to read to this is publicly available but maybe not great to read. Curiosity isnt some weird unusual thing. Now Im happy to drive a bit and pick something up, but if you were trying to get me a gift card for delivery youd come up empty. Exactly this with the minor exception of having the manager/director actually pick and communicate to you even a single metric for success I feel for your difficult experience. And they were very rude when I told them to make an appointment. LinkedIn is fine. Theres plenty of information about me on the internet that I never consented to be put there but have no control over taking it down. Ive Googled people. Thats not a typical situation. Doesnt employment verification typically include salary anyway? They know Ill use the best service with the best negotiated prices. Fruit- Tomatoes are a fruit, so unless you never get tomato sauce on your pizza youre a liar. Couldnt those people just walk over to where ever the food is and grab some. We have done inexpensive promo gifts and stuff other surprise goodies in our product packages for promotional reasons as well. A lot of my high school accomplishments were featured in the local paper which now has all its archives online. A lot of us make arts-related posts on our personal social media accounts, which are mostly followed by other people in the arts. Enough information so that you know where theyll be every Tuesday at 7 is over the line. I dont want people chastised because they asked me a question they find intellectually interesting. Youre wrong. This is still horrifying from a user perspective, but its not really relevant to the current discussion about private individuals searching public social media. It also has the advantage of letting the employee choose the restaurant so they get something they will definitely enjoy. I have looked at LinkedIn profiles of some co-workers and people who are interviewing me for jobs. Im sure you can find a better company for you. Im black myself, I cant say Ive ever felt the need to look at co-workers personal pages under the guise of safety. I generally dont Google them unless I cant find them on LinkedIn at first. I ended up coming into work late one day so I could drop everything and tour this house and put in an offer the very day it went on the market, so everyone at work knew more about my home-buying process than usual. This is my hill! I have opted out of many of them. Intended coworkers not feeling safe around a candidate would be a good reason not to move forward with them too, though, because you cant complete your work well in an environment where youre worried about your safety or where your coworkers avoid you. And the question of whether its too nosy is irrelevant to the point of absurdity. Im not really sure how one would solve that without closely examining the comments each team member made, but even then you run into the problem of either not considering a well-founded opinion or of not realizing a coworker youve respected has been giving feedback based on an internalized bias. I think its functionally little different than asking your neighbor if they know anything about the new people moving in across the street. Wonder if hell coach on of our teams this year?). We all posted a picture of us eating at whatever restaurant we chose on the Slack channel and talked about what we ordered. In my scenario its that moment where you go Im going to see what else they may have under this alias that youve crossed that line. discuss their work, CVS Health, colleagues, or CVS Health products or services in personal social media interactions identify themselves by their real name and, must where relevant, title or role. If you search for my name, youll get a lot of noise. But youre right to want to make sure your boss doesnt do this again. I would never share that kind of personal information with coworkers, but its archived on easily accessible news sites that I have no control over and I know it colors others perceptions of me. Now thats co-workers. Unfortunately, I hadnt told her that the job was at a higher level than when I was employed with her. I know it is not always possible 100% but if you dont want people looking at your MySpace, LiveJournal from when you were 16/20/24 do your best to try and get it taken down. Hopefully, if biases ended up coming into play theyd be noticed and discredited. She shouldnt have done that without your permission, nor should she have tried to tell them what to pay you! I completely understand not wanting your coworkers to know about that tragedy. There were no disclosures. I had already planned to speak to my manager regarding his comments, but I showed her what I found as well. Were not subject to regulation like the medical industry, and Im also not in purchasing or engineering (the people who decide which gizmos to buy/use), so its not like the swag is going to sway me. Its assumed that people are personally artistic and interested in appreciating and discussing art as well as in the business of art. This has now trickled down into her minion (my new manager) getting progressively aggressive and toxic with me in private meetings. It is usually done for a specific purpose yes like a divorce case, or an insurance company trying to catch a potential scammer. do I need to wear nylons to a job interview or are bare legs OK? I wanted to connect to them on LinkedIn. The issue comes when your manager has strong opinions about how you should do things that dont match up with reality, and think you have some hidden agenda for having the opinions you do. I wouldnt take it as far as doing a background check on my kids friends parents, particularly if youre talking about paid ones, but I certainly want to know basic information about the person Im trusting my childs or my own safety to. I certainly agree paying for a background check or PI on someone is a lot especially if the only reason is curiosity, it goes beyond a google search of someone. But just someone I worked with that someone else hired? I know both of my suggestions would not be easy and would require a huge amount of work, but it can be done. He didnt know what we did and didnt care. This. I google everyone. A while back, I found a way to get your stuff suppressed. All of which is to say this is probably one of those things thats not one size fits all. I have an unusual name. There actually was a letter here from a writer who went to Vegas on a work trip and won $ in the casino (on her own time, with her own $). Would you make a distinction, though, between the neighbor across the way casually noticing something that catches their eye vs your neighbor across the way camped out by their window with a coffee cup watching you on purpose? Then again, Im not even on Facebook. #1: About a decade ago some coworkers and I decided to Google each other. It meets the legitimate work concern test. But it also sounds like the training courses are the least of the issues here! I think the world has just changed and therefore our points of view have to. Its not either/or. It isnt. I heard from another team that they sent someone to these because they needed to spend down their budget otherwise it would be cut the next year. me either. So I dont think this is really a fair statement. I dont agree that putting stuff on the internet is an automatic invitation for everyone to look at it. He couldve been getting an opinion on how something was being done, showing it off for some reason (from another potential sale to look, dad!), etc. You probably wouldnt be bothered at all by a coworker reading your LinkedIn page, but Im betting youd be creeped out by them going through old facebook pictures from five years ago! In my field we work internationally and tend to start off fairly formal, so I also need to make sure I have their title right and that I have their given name and family name the right way round, so I dont call a new contact Mr River when shes Dr Song. I still get emails from people wanting to work for said company. If you dont want people connecting your internet activity to your professional self use a handle. I can take long lunches a few hours within reason at my discretion but its really nice to be explicitly told hey we want to make sure you take some time out of your schedule too and wont be bugging you for x and y. I used to be remote. The bottom line is that its on the individual to control what they publish. That attitude of everything on social media being fair game is horrendous. Its the nature of the internet and I dont think most people were prepared for that. Somebody will do it isnt even close to being the same thing as this is morally OK and not creepy. if I were hiring, sure yeah. Normally we just get confirmation that you worked there. You had to opt in. When looking for information about someone, consider how that person would feel about it to help you determine boundaries (In the previous example, Jane would probably be ok with the first question but not the second). Most of the time when I look someone up, they have their own professionally-focused website. For example, yes, its undeniably stupid to post updates on your teenage angst on Livejournal under your real name. Sure, but thats the company, not a random coworker. Because we all covet the prestigious swag that is a emory board with a staffing agency logo on it. The mortgage business for one cant accept anything valued over $50. I could go out now videotaping people i dont know and put it online. Is this OT? It feels a little trite to send Starbucks gift cards or whatever, but I dont want to leave them out if Im announcing in chat that theres pizza and snacks in the central conference room. I really like my job overall and I work in a very specialized profession so I dont have many options and dont want to leave. is it unprofessional to get a tattoo on a work trip? I really wish there was a way to save others from this pair of toxic management, and to keep my fantastic team together, and to continue to contribute in the other ways I have been able to, but it looks increasingly like I have no options, here. They are not doing you any favors. Most importantly, remain silent until they're . I work in a media context, and I can see that there may be the occasional need to be aware of an employees online presence. I can both Google someone *and* talk to them! So despite all my efforts to explain, this Director is not someone who needs to be taught anything. Heck yes it is. I am pretty careful about what I put on line and frequently check privacy permissions on social media, but there is no way for me to mitigate the background type sites. I find it strange when people have no natural curiosity but then I have worked in professions that involve research and seeking knowledge. I will always Google coworkers now as a result. A better analogy than the cow costume that is often used in discussions about online privacy is the idea of having windows into your house. I was trained as a police dispatcher and it was a criminal offense to snoop into peoples files without a specific purpose. Hope everything is well. Looking into someones private home is not the same as looking at something they posted publicly online, imo. There are degrees. But you need to keep it quiet. This might be because growing up everyone in my neighborhood knew there was one neighbor who rarely left their house (if ever) but sat by the window watching everything going on, on the street, in houses, backyards. OP, have you talked to your remote workers? An accurate but cultivated one. Correct Answers: overheard news, profile, prescription bottle. Sounds to me like the director admitted they werent really giving this area the attention it needed, and agreed with HR that the best solution would be to create this new role in between.
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